2nd Democratic presidential debate, passages on guns

2nd Democratic presidential debate, 11/14/15, Des Moines

JOHN DICKERSON:
All right, I wanna get to the– bridge to the issues of guns here. Secretary Clinton, you’ve said that Senator Sanders is not tough enough on guns. But basically he now supports roughly the same things you do. So can you tell us some of the exact differences going forward between the two of you on the issue of gun control?

HILLARY CLINTON:
Well, I think that there are different– records. I– you know, know that– Senator Sanders– had a different vote than I did– when it came to giving immunity to gun makers and sellers. That was a terrible mistake. It basically gave the gun lobby even more power to intimidate– legislators not just in Washington but across the country.

But just think about this, since we last debated in Las Vegas nearly 3,000 people have been killed by guns, 21 mass shootings including one last weekend in Des Moines where three were murdered, 200 children have been killed. This is an emergency. There are a lot of things we’ve gotta do in our country. Reigning in Wall Street is certainly one of them. I agree with that. That’s why I’ve got such a good plan. But we have to also go after the gun lobby. And 92 percent of Americans agree we should have universal background checks, close the gun show loophole, close the out of (APPLAUSE) loophole and– I wanna– but I– I will do everything I can as president to get that accomplished.

JOHN DICKERSON:
Secretary Clinton just a quick follow up, you say that– Senator Sanders took a vote that– on immunity that you don’t like. So if he can be tattooed by a single vote and that ruins all future– opinions by him on this issue, why then is he right when he says you’re wrong vote on Iraq tattoos you for offering your judgment?

HILLARY CLINTON:
I– I said I made a mistake on Iraq. And I would love to see Senator Sanders join with some of my colleagues– in the senate that I– see in the audience, let’s reverse the immunity. Let’s… go to the gun makers and tell– on notice that they’re not gonna get away with it….

BERNIE SANDERS:
Let’s do more than reverse the immunity….

HILLARY CLINTON:
‘Cause you think that that’s a mistake.

BERNIE SANDERS:
But let’s– let me hear it– if there’s any difference between the secretary and myself. I have voted time and again to– for– for the background checks. And I wanna see it improved and expanded. I wanna see them do away with the gun show loophole. In 1988 I lost an election because I said we should not have assault weapons on the streets of America.

We have to do away with the strong man proposal. We need radical changes in mental health in America. So somebody who’s suicidal or homicidal can get the emergency care they need. But we have– I don’t know that there’s any disagreement here.

MARTIN O’MALLEY:
Oh yes, there is.

BERNIE SANDERS:
We have lots– come forward with a consensus–

MARTIN O’MALLEY:
Yes, there is.

BERNIE SANDERS:
–that in fact will work–

JOHN DICKERSON:
Senator, a mistake or not, you’re– you’re– so quickly before–

BERNIE SANDERS:
We will talk of that bill which I agree with parts, I disagree– I am certainly absolutely willing to look at that bill and make sure– and not a form of the bill.

JOHN DICKERSON:
Not a mistake.

MARTIN O’MALLEY:
John, this is another one of those examples. Look, we have– we have a lot of work to do. And we’re the only nation on the planet that buries as many of our people from gun violence as we do in my own state after they– the children in that Connecticut classroom were gunned down, we passed comprehensive– gun safety legislation, background checks, ban on assault weapons.

And senator, I think we do need to repeal that immunity that you granted to the gun industry. But Secretary Clinton, you’ve been on three sides of this. When you ran in 2000 you said that we needed federal robust regulations. Then in 2008 you were portraying yourself as Annie Oakley and saying that we don’t need those regulation on the federal level. And now you’re coming back around here. So John, there’s a big difference between leading by polls and leading with principle. We got it done in my state by leading with principle. And that’s what we need to do as a party, comprehensive gun….

BERNIE SANDERS:
All due respect– I think it’s fair to say that Baltimore is not now one of the safest cities in America. But the issue– and it’s a lot–

MARTIN O’MALLEY:
Saved a lot of lives along the way.

BERNIE SANDERS:
The issue is I believe and I believe this honestly and I don’t know that there’s much difference on guns between us but I believe coming from a state that has virtually no gun control I believe that I am in a position to recount of the 60 or 70 percent of the American people who agree with us on those issues. The problem is… people all over this country, not you Secretary Clinton, are shouting at each other. And what we need to do (LAUGH) is bring people together to work on the agreement where there is broad consensus. And that’s what I intend to do….

HILLARY CLINTON:
There– there is broad consensus. 92 percent in the most recent poll of Americans want gun safety measures.

BERNIE SANDERS:
Absolutely.

HILLARY CLINTON:
And 85 percent of gun owners agree. We’ve got the consensus. What we’re lacking is political leadership. And that’s what you and others can start providing in the senate. (APPLAUSE)

BERNIE SANDERS:
Yes, I agree.

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